From edmccloskey@earthlink.net Thu May 2 18:12:12 EDT 1996 Article: 82636 of alt.religion.scientology Path: news.cybercom.net!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ed McCloskey Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.meditation.transcendental,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: MICHAEL REUSS OF HEWLETT-PACKARD Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 07:38:35 -0400 Organization: Free Spirit Computing, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31874D3B.7FAC@earthlink.net> References: <4lvpov$sl8@lal.interserv.net> <4m2bn0$ddh@lace.colorado.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool034.max10.newark.nj.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; U) To: David Iain Greig Xref: news.cybercom.net alt.religion.scientology:82636 alt.meditation.transcendental:9378 sci.skeptic:48298 David, how could someone like me admit to being an official. I am not. I am a Scientologist who stumbled across ars one day and didn't like what I saw. I see that YOU have ignored the ethical implications of using a company's name without their permission. Care to comment on that? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Scientology Home Page: http://www.scientology.org/ Ed McCloskey ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From edmcclos@sprynet.com Thu May 2 18:12:57 EDT 1996 Article: 82302 of alt.religion.scientology Path: news.cybercom.net!news.netlabs.net!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iol!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.interserv.net!news1.interserv.net!news From: Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.meditation.transcendental,sci.skeptic Subject: MICHAEL REUSS OF HEWLETT-PACKARD Date: 28 Apr 1996 12:53:51 GMT Organization: InterServ News Service Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4lvpov$sl8@lal.interserv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ad11-094.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-length: 603 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (32-bit) 4.00 Xref: news.cybercom.net alt.religion.scientology:82302 alt.meditation.transcendental:9337 sci.skeptic:47900 Michael Reuss regularly posts hateful, untrue messages about the Scientology religion while clearly identifying his organization as Hewlett-Packard. Is this an official Hewlett-Packard position? I would hope not. Hewlett-Packard is a very respectable company which in my experience would not partake in or condone such unethical behavior.. However, the use of the Hewlett-Packard name on Mr. Reuss' posts would lead us to believe that his posts are sponsored and approved by Hewlett-Packard. I would appreciate it if a Hewlett-Packard official could clarify this for us. Ed McCloskey From edmccloskey@earthlink.net Thu May 2 18:13:11 EDT 1996 Article: 82224 of alt.religion.scientology Path: news.cybercom.net!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.interserv.net!news1.interserv.net!news From: Ed McCloskey Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Dead end Pro-Scientology web pages Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 11:07:16 -0400 Organization: Free Spirit Computing, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <318389A4.7495@earthlink.net> References: <4kqp2s$1it@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <4kuerf$1i1@hplvec.lvld.hp.com> <317F0845.6C2@earthlink.net> <317F86F0.184F@cedar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ad09-099.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; U) Dave VanHorn wrote: > > Ed McCloskey wrote: > > > > Michael, > > > > Is is Hewlett Packard corporate policy to support posting of slander, > > lies, hate, etc. on the Internet? > > > > Ed McCloskey > This message was sent to the webmasters at Michael Reuss' office and Hewlett-Packard corporate. I for one would like to know if Hewlett- Packard sponsored, supported, or even knew about what Reuss was doing. > snipDave, I don't believe that Hewlett-Packard knew of Michael Reuss postings of lies and hatred while using their name. I believe that Reuss had access to the internet at work and posted messages without his employer's knowledge. I am checking this out directly with Hewlett- Packard management via the Internet an snail mail to corporate officers. It appears that Reuss' purpose was to make us believe that Hewlett-Packard supported his postings. I for one, don't believe that a fine company such as Hewlett-Packard would condone Reuss' nonsense and use of their corporate name. When I get a response from HP, I'll post it here on ars. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Scientology Home Page: http://www.scientology.org/ Ed McCloskey ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From edmccloskey@earthlink.net Thu May 2 18:13:30 EDT 1996 Article: 82191 of alt.religion.scientology Path: news.cybercom.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ed McCloskey Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Dead end Pro-Scientology web pages Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:06:13 -0400 Organization: Free Spirit Computing, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <317F0845.6C2@earthlink.net> References: <4kqp2s$1it@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <4kuerf$1i1@hplvec.lvld.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool047.max10.newark.nj.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; U) To: Michael Reuss Michael, Is is Hewlett Packard corporate policy to support posting of slander, lies, hate, etc. on the Internet? Ed McCloskey :) From edmccloskey@earthlink.net Thu May 2 18:13:39 EDT 1996 Article: 81820 of alt.religion.scientology Path: news.cybercom.net!news.netzone.com!oronet!uniserve!news1.ottawa.istar.net!news.ottawa.istar.net!news3.ottawa.istar.net!istar.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!news.utdallas.edu!news01.aud.alcatel.com!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ed McCloskey Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Jacko Collapsed During Pruif [confirmation] Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:09:26 -0400 Organization: Free Spirit Computing, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <317F0906.35D0@earthlink.net> References: <31704516.10083790@news.primenet.com> <4kqivl$4bh@news-e2a.gnn.com> <4kuh7r$1i1@hplvec.lvld.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool047.max10.newark.nj.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; U) To: Michael Reuss CC: webmaster@www.hp.com Michael, Does the management at Hewlett Packard condone your use of their name, their Internet connection, their equipment, to post hateful anti- religious slander against Scientology and Scientologists? Ed McCloskey From edmccloskey@earthlink.net Thu May 2 18:15:34 EDT 1996 Article: 81129 of alt.religion.scientology Path: news.cybercom.net!news.netzone.com!oronet!news.sprintlink.net!news.celestar.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Ed McCloskey Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Whippersnapper: debating "ends justifies the means". Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 13:32:19 -0400 Organization: Free Spirit Computing, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <317A7123.6E6E@earthlink.net> References: <085313Z31031996@anon.penet.fi> <4js1hl$hgv@tribune.concentric.net> <4kb0nf$n09@cougar.vut.edu.au> <4kjk1h$bfg@tribune.concentric.net> <4ku922$1i1@hplvec.lvld.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool062.max10.newark.nj.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; U) Michael Reuss wrote: > > > Whippersnapper (Whipsnap@cris.com) wrote: > > > >I believe you responded to this by expanding the issue far beyond that > >scope, which was a common slimy a.r.shole tactic, based in extremely > >questionable "evidence" and on the whole unworthy of response. > > Oh, oh, Keith. The politeness clam is going to have to reprimand you for > use of the inflammatory term "a.r.shole." Not only is this rude, it's > misspelled. The common spelling is "sicked" (er, no wait, that was > something else). The real spelling is "Margaret Singer" (er, no, that was > something else, too!). The real spelling is ARSHOLE (no '.'s). > > >Obviously, now you want to go still further with the bullshit alterations > >and evidence-free accusations. Have at it, but don't expect me to > >respond. > > Are you going to do your "I won't respond if you're going to be rude" ploy > again, Whip? That's always so helpful when you want to duck tough > questions. Speaking of tough questions, did you see Lavenda's post > indicating that Mr. Fishman was a OSA operative in 1981? I believe you > claimed he was not in Scientology at that time. How do you explain this > discrepancy? > > >"I'm off to meet my doom, Mom. See you after school" Calvin > > Keith, just out of curiousity, which side of this debate do you suppose > Calvin would be on (assuming he was a real person and not a retired toon)? > > -- > Michael Reuss > Honorary KidWish I could make some sense of your postings Michael. What's your point? Ed